What happens when an atheist goes to church? Jim Henderson is a Christian pastor who started paying people to attend services and give feedback. Along the way he found Matt Casper—an atheist. The two visited some of the most well-known churches in the US, and this week they join us for a frank discussion about faith, church and well-meaning Christians.

And how much of the news should you believe? We’ll talk to award-winning journalist Nick Davies who’s lifted the lid on Britain’s broadsheet abuses through his book Flat Earth News.